A worker cleans the logo on the Herbalife sign as finishing touches are put on the company's building in Torrance, Calif. A report from the New York Post about an FTC investigation of the company is being questioned.
The basis of the NYPost story was a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request the paper submitted last year, after hedge fund manager Bill Ackman made a massive presentation accusing Herbalife of running a pyramid and announcing a $1 billion-plus bet against the company's stock.
The NYPost was attempting to determine how many complaints had been submitted to the government involving so-called "multi-level marketing" companies, of which Herbalife is one. Something interesting happened when the request came back:
The FTC redacted some sections, saying it didn’t have to divulge “information obtained by the commission in a law enforcement investigation, whether through compulsory process, or voluntarily ...”Other complaints contained a note referring to a “pending law enforcement action.” The FTC did not say whether the action was civil or criminal.
A worker cleans the logo on the Herbalife sign. The battle of words between investors with stakes in the company has heated up.
This video I've embedded below is worth watching to get an idea of the kind of men who are fighting a very public battle over the L.A.-headquartered weight-loss products and supplements maker Herbalife. Hedge fund manager Bill Ackman and legendary investor Carl Icahn do not like each other one little bit — and the acrimony goes way back, to 2003 when the two tangled over a deal with a real estate company that went so bad that they had to settle the particulars in court (Ackman won).
Ackman contends that Herbalife is a pyramid scheme. He's bet more than $1 billion that the company's stock isn't just going to decline, but go to zero. Zero! Another hedge fund guy, Dan Loeb, has taken the other side of that bet, buying up several hundred million bucks worth of Herbalife stock, on the assumption that the price will rise.
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Billionaire investor Carl Icahn has something up his sleeve when it comes to Herbalife. And he really doesn't like Bill Ackman.
The most recent combatant to enter the fray in the battle over L.A.-headquartered diet and supplements maker Herbalife is billionaire investor Carl Icahn. He is apparently opposing hedge fund manager Bill Ackman, who — claiming that Herbalife is a pyramid scheme — has amassed a $1 billion-plus bet against the company's stock. Icahn might be allied with Dan Loeb, another hedge funder who has taken the other side of Ackman's bet, to the tune of hundreds of millions.
Icahn called Bloomberg TV Thursday and in no uncertain terms made it clear that he basically hates Bill Ackman's guts (the two have locked horns in the past), but he refused to confirm that he's joined Loeb in going long on Herbalife. Although you can read between the lines:
[I]t's no secret I don't like Ackman. I have no respect for him and I don't like him and that's not a secret. But that doesn’t mean that I'm going to go in and buy stock in a company necessarily just to get him. Frankly, I don't like the way he did this anyway. If you're short, you go short and hey, if it goes down, you make money. You don't go out and get a roomful of people to badmouth the company. If you want to be in that business, why don't you go out and join the SEC.
A worker cleans the logo on the Herbalife sign as finishing touches are put on the company's building in Torrance, Calif. The company has defended itself against charges that it's a pyramid scheme.
Hedge fund manager Bill Ackman, who runs Pershing Square Capital Management, has taken a $1-billion-plus short position against L.A.-headquartered Herbalife, the diet and nutritional supplements company.
Ackman says Herbalife is operating a pyramid scheme: its business depends on signing up new suckers, not on actually selling products. He's pledged to drive the company, in the language of finance, "to zero."
Ackman's fellow hedge fund manager Dan Loeb is taking the other side of that bet. He's buying up Herbalife shares, whose value was depressed last year following a three-hour presentation (complete with 343 PowerPoint slides) by Ackman.
Ackman is short. Loeb is long. And Herbalife is stuck in the middle.
Hedge fund manager Bill Ackerman says Herbalife is a pyramid scheme and has bet $1 billion on its fall. Hedge fund manager Dan Loeb begs to differ and has bet $350 million that the stock will rise in value.
Herbalife is under a lot of pressure at the moment. The L.A.-headquartered nutritional supplements maker has been accused of being a pyramid scheme by hedge fund manager Bill Ackman.
He's betting more than $1 billion that the company won't be around for much longer. Other hedge fund guys, like Dan Loeb, are taking the other side of that bet, countering Ackman's short position by buying up Herbalife stock and betting on its continued success.
Herbalife is doing a webcast for investors and analysts in New York this morning. This is the first time the company will be explicitly responding to Ackman's pyramid scheme charge, which he laid out late last year. I'm liveblogging the webcast so check back for updates. (All times are West Coast, by the way, as I'm in Los Angeles).
CEO Michael Johnson is up. He's proud. Talking products and public health. Confident about the future. Call's news of recent weeks "misinformation." He says it's created "confusion and doubt" and is here is present the facts and mentions Pershing Square, Ackman's hedge fund, for the first time. And he says half a dozen Herbalife executives are going to speak today. So this could go for a while. One photo is worth "at least 100 PowerPoint slides" he says — a joke about Ackman's 343 slide takedown of the company.