Tomorrow night, Mitt Romney and Barack Obama will meet face to face in their first debate, but Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate for president, will be watching on TV like the rest of us.
He's tried to get into the debates, but with no success. This, in spite of the fact that the former two-term governor of New Mexico is on the ballot in 47 states, including California.
And even if he's polling in the single digits, some political analysts wonder whether he could draw enough votes in swing states to act as a spoiler.
Governor Johnson joins the show from Salt Lake City.