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'Smithsonian Rock 'n' Roll': Every picture tells a story, don't it?




Sly & The Family Stone at the San Diego Sports Arena, Oct. 28, 1973.
Sly & The Family Stone at the San Diego Sports Arena, Oct. 28, 1973.
Gary Keith Morgan / Smithsonian Books
Sly & The Family Stone at the San Diego Sports Arena, Oct. 28, 1973.
Bonnie Raitt photographed by a fan at the Harvard Square Theatre, Cambridge, Massachusetts 1974.
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Sly & The Family Stone at the San Diego Sports Arena, Oct. 28, 1973.
Bill Bentley is a former A & R director for Concord Records and vice president of Warner Bros. Records and is the author of "Smithsonian Rock and Roll: Live and Unseen."
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Rock 'n' roll has evolved to include a lot of different styles. But according to Bill Bentley — a former executive at the Concord and Warner Bros. record labels — rock 'n' roll is less of a specific genre and more a state of mind.

So when the folks at the Smithsonian asked him to create a photo collection around the history of rock, he was eager to take on the task.

“Smithsonian Rock and Roll: Live and Unseen” was compiled from thousands of photos submitted by fans and professional photographers. But it's Bentley’s prose that connects the dots between 142 of the most influential rock artists of the past six decades. 

Bentley recently spoke with The Frame's John Horn.

Interview Highlights:

On whether the the book is an objective look at rock 'n' roll history or a product of his personal experiences in the music industry:

When we started making the list of artists that were going to be in it, I had about 200 [artists]. The Smithsonian people said, for the size that the book can be, that's too many. So I had to start taking them out. Then they started telling me that there's a lot of bands that were hugely influential in the development in rock 'n' roll that [weren't] on my list. And I said, Let's do what we're all supposed to do in life — compromise, right?

I think at its core, it's my taste. But being open to their suggestions made the book a little bit of a "them and me" type of collection. The people I know who go through [the book] and aren't serious music heads, they tell me they like it because they discover a lot of bands they had never heard of. That's the basis of the music business. We find bands and put them out there for people to hopefully buy.

Johnny, Joey, and Dee Dee Ramone at Dooley's, Tempe, Arizona, 1978.
Johnny, Joey, and Dee Dee Ramone at Dooley's, Tempe, Arizona, 1978.
Dorian Boese / Smithsonian Books

On how he defines rock 'n' roll:

I went back to my very early youth in Texas. I was born there in 1950. Some of the first artists I saw when I was a kid, [performing] on the street, were people like Lightnin' Hopkins and Juke Boy Bonner — blues people. Then when Elvis hit in '55 or '56, you heard right away — even though I was six years old — what he had taken from those blues people. So I always defined rock 'n' roll as sort of a spirit more than a certain genre. Really and truly, so many rock 'n' roll fans will listen to jazz, will listen to hip-hop, will listen to blues, so I never wanted to narrowly define it because I think when you do that, you lose the opportunity to be open to new things. There's a lot of quibbles like, What is rock 'n' roll? To me, it's that thing that just sets your spirit on fire and really sets you free. When you're really into the rock 'n' roll experience, you are a different person ... So to me, you can bring in Al Green or Run DMC or anybody, just as long as it contributes to that spiritual elevation of what great music does to you. 

On how Fats Domino helped define rock 'n' roll:

I think one of the ways Fats Domino influenced everybody — I mean, The Beatles were among his biggest fans — was that he had a rock 'n' roll beat that almost defined what rock 'n' roll sounded like at its core. But it was just the style of music that young people gravitated to, no matter what race they were. That was the beauty of early rock 'n' roll too, if you think about it. It was the music that crossed the color lines of African-Americans and whites — anybody could relate to rock 'n' roll and it brought those people together. 

Peter Gabriel sings
Peter Gabriel sings "Lay Your Hands on Me" on the Plays Live tour at the Agora Ballroom, West Hartford, Connecticut, 1984.
Tim Delvin / Smithsonian Books

On what makes a good rock 'n' roll photograph:

When I'm looking at rock 'n' roll photographs that really excite me, I like ones that evoke what the live experience was like, or what listening to the music is like, and really captures the passion and the emotional side of music. We listen with our ears and our eyes because when I see a picture, it brings to mind the same feelings I get when I listen to music. In the pictures we tried to choose those that brought those really edgy feelings of when music has taken over your body and your soul and takes you to a different place. When you look through the book, you feel almost that you're at a concert or you feel like you're listening to one of the songs.

On what the Velvet Underground symbolized:

I worked with Lou Reed for 25 years and we got to be very close. He's probably the best friend I ever made on the music side. He used to tell me, when he started writing songs, he would be reading novels by William S. Burroughs or especially Raymond Chandler. He wanted to be able to write about the things that those novels talked about, which at the time in rock 'n' roll wasn't happening. I mean, Lou wrote about homosexuality, drug addiction, sadomasochism — everything. And the way [The Velvet Underground] played it, they brought in drones and lots of feedback and tribal drumming. So a band like that, they changed rock 'n' roll completely even though they weren't very popular. To me that's one of the great delights of rock 'n' roll, is finding bands like that who were so influential, but if you step out of a certain sphere, nobody's ever heard of them. 

Zac Cockrell, Brittany Howard, Steve Johnson (drums), and Heath Fogg performing as the Shakes for the first time at Egan's Bar, Tuscaloosa, AL, July 10, 2010.
Zac Cockrell, Brittany Howard, Steve Johnson (drums), and Heath Fogg performing as the Shakes for the first time at Egan's Bar, Tuscaloosa, AL, July 10, 2010.
David A. Smith / Smithsonian Books

On Alabama Shakes' "Don't Wanna Fight" as a modern example of rock music:

I think there is a straight line from the start of rock 'n' roll to the Alabama Shakes. Rock 'n' roll was born out of the collision of country and blues, electrified to the max. I believe what the true beauty of the Alabama Shakes is, they come out of Alabama, so you know they're in the heart of where so many great rock 'n' roll artists were born and thrived. They brought to it a rawness that is at the heart of what all great rock 'n' roll starts as. That song in particular could have been from any era of music and it's one of those songs that gets inside of you and inspires you to know that, not only is life going to be okay, it's going to be great. 



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