Jeff Flake, the junior Senator from Arizona, is an original member of the “Never Trump” camp.

And unlike some of his compatriots in that movement, the Republican lawmaker has remained a so-called “Never Trumper” after the presidential election.

In his new book, “Conscience of a Conservative,” Flake sounds off on the Trump presidency, and laments what he sees as the core values of conservatism being coopted by xenophobia and populism.

Larry speaks with Senator Flake on his new book, and on ways he thinks conservatism could be rehabilitated.

Guest:

Jeff Flake, Republican senator from Arizona and author of the new book, “Conscience of a Conservative: A Rejection of Destructive Politics and a Return to Principle” (Random House, 2017); he tweets @JeffFlake