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Rexit: Tillerson out, Pompeo in. The future of the State Department and CIA




This combination of pictures created on March 13, 2018 shows then US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson (L) on February 15, 2018 and then US Congressman Mike Pompeo, on January 12, 2017.
This combination of pictures created on March 13, 2018 shows then US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson (L) on February 15, 2018 and then US Congressman Mike Pompeo, on January 12, 2017.
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On Tuesday, President Trump announced via tweet that Rex Tillerson is no longer Secretary of State and that he will be replaced by CIA Director Mike Pompeo.

Pompeo is seen as having a closer relationship with Trump and being more in step with the President’s “America first” rhetoric.

The ousting of Tillerson follows a period of tension between him and the president. It’s been reported that Trump decided to transition ahead of talks with North Korea and trade negotiations. According to reports, Tillerson did not know the reason for his firing.

CIA Deputy Director Gina Haspel will take over as the head of the CIA. She has had a long career within the CIA, and will be the first woman to lead the agency. There has been some controversy surrounding her name, regarding her charge of CIA “black site” prisons, where there was use of violent interrogation techniques that some have condemned as torture.

Why did Trump fire Tillerson and what will the State Department look like under Pompeo? Who is Gina Haspel and what does her leadership portend for the CIA?

With guest host Libby Denkmann.

Guests:

Steven Feldstein, former deputy assistant secretary on the U.S. State Department Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor (2014-2017) and an associate professor of public affairs at Boise State University; he tweets @SteveJFeldstein

John Woodward, former Central Intelligence Agency officer (1985-1997, 2006-2015); he has served in the directorate of operations in the CIA; he is a professor of the Practice of International Relations at the Pardee School of Global Studies at Boston University