This is On Being’s Unheard Cuts. This is Krista Tippett's unedited conversation with Buddhist teachers Robert Thurman and Sharon Salzberg. Thurman is professor of Indo-Tibetan Buddhist Studies at Columbia University, and Salzberg is cofounder of the Insight Meditation Society in Barre, Massachusetts. I spoke with them on July 30th, 2013, from the studios of APM in St. Paul, Minnesota. They were at Argot Studios in New York. Download the mp3 of the produced show, "Embracing Our Enemies and Our Suffering" at onbeing.org.