From "The Real Housewives" to "The Bachelor," most so-called reality shows are technically more scripted and staged than they are portrayals of real life.
While there are exceptions, many top reality shows seem to revel in their participants’ failures or petty personal dramas. There is no such voyeuristic bias, however, behind the A&E reality series "Born This Way."
The show follows seven young adults who have Down Syndrome as they pursue their goals and dreams, and as their parents navigate parenthood and help their children live independently.
"Born This Way" was created by Jonathan Murray, who created the groundbreaking reality series "The Real World" on MTV. Since then he's had his hand in leading reality shows including "Project Runway" and "Keeping Up With the Kardashians."
The series picked up awards for Outstanding Casting for a Reality Program and Cinematography for a Reality Program at this year's Creative Arts Emmy Awards. It has been renewed for a fourth season.
When Murray stopped by The Frame, he talked about how he got "Born This Way" on the air and the challenges of producing a docu-series.
Below are excerpts from John Horn's interview with Johnathan Murray. To hear the full conversation, click on the player above.
On getting the TV show "Born This Way" on the air:
This is probably the longest journey I've ever had in getting a show on the air. We initially did a pilot for A&E about a group of young people all with intellectual challenges -- not all Down Syndrome. And coming from The Real World, a show I created and still produce, I wanted to put them all in the same house together. We made the pilot, A&E didn't pick it up. I think in the end it felt contrived putting them in a house and I think we were missing an important story. And that is the story of young adults who have an intellectual challenge but in today's world they're being mainstream, they're being raised to become independent.
Four years later A&E calls me up and says, You know we've been looking at everything that we've been doing. Not much of it is working and we all started talking about that project that you had. What would you do with it today? So I had this wonderful opportunity to revisit it. I took a much more documentary approach and really zeroed in on this journey that these families are on. And these parents who have done such a good job of preparing their kids for independence. And now that they're young adults and wanting to take those steps to independence, they're having a hard time letting go. And that's a very relatable story.
On casting "Born this Way":
Casting is pretty much everything when you come to an unstructured show like "Born This Way," a docu-soap. There's no format. There's no game. The story's going to come from the cast. Interestingly enough, we focused on finding the young adults to center our show around. And we're very fortunate that in the Orange County, LA area, there's a very tight Down Syndrome community. And a lot of the young people attend the same arts organizations and they know each other. So already there were some of these families who knew each other. So we began to, through various non-profit organizations, and folks, we began to sort of find out who's out there. We started to bring them in for interviews. And usually one of their parents would come along for those interviews and we started to get to know the parents too. And it's really interesting because the most dynamic and interesting young adults who had Down Syndrome also had really interesting and dynamic parents. So I guess the apple didn't fall far from the tree. With a reality show, a lot of times during the casting process, that's actually part of the process of figuring out what the show is going to be. And I think in that process it really made us realize that this isn't just a story about these young adults. It's also a story about their families and about their siblings. And what these families have gone through and the journey they're on. Because these parents know they're not going to be around forever so they need to work with their young adults on a plan for independence so that they can go forward without them.
On the sense of mission that the parents and cast members feel in taking part in the show:
Yea I think there really is a sense of mission on the part of not only the parents but the cast members, that they do want to share their lives. And they all had stories of, you know, having their child and having someone's initial reaction to the fact that they had a child with Down Syndrome be sort of like, 'Oh, are you okay? Is this sad for you?' So there's a lot going on. They've suffered. The fact that some people have stared and not known how to react to their child. So it's a wonderful opportunity for them to share and I think one of the wonderful things that TV can do is it can demystify things. And I think that's one of the strengths of the show. So now maybe when you meet someone with Down Syndrome you're not as afraid to go up and say, Hey, how are you?
On the cast following their dreams:
Yeah, for us I think we are always cognizant, the fact that, like anybody else, our cast has hopes and dreams. How they work towards achieving those for each of them is unique. And so we're trying to chronicle that and we think that if we do it well we'll be able to create a show that anybody else out there can identify with. And quite honestly there have been times when I have -- and I know our crew has learned from our cast. I think they are much more direct often than we are. They don't play some of the games we play in communication. Particularly in the areas of dating, they're much more straightforward. So it's been sort of fun learning from them.
How the producers don't take advantage of the cast members:
It's something that we think about with all our shows. Starting at the very beginning of the process, we made sure that our families had some kind of representation when we were doing their contracts. Luckily there's an agent in town -- Gail Williamson -- who specializes in sort of diversity. And so seh sort of took on the process of negotiating the deal for our cast, for a lot of them. Because we wanted to make sure that we were not being exploitive. I talked to [activist] Anthony Shriver and he told me, You know, you've got to treat your cast, these young people with own syndrome, just like you would treat any other reality cast member. Don't focus so much on their differences. Don't whitewash this. You gotta give something that's honest. But at the same time... I do think when you've got cast members being so honest, as a producer you have to think about, Okay how much do I show of this? But I will tell you that's the case in any show that I do.
On the satisfaction Murrays get from working on "The Real World" versus "Born This Way":
I tell people season 3 of "The Real World," where we had Pedro Zamora on -- a young man who was HIV positive and really told his story -- for a lot of young people, he was the first person they met who was HIV positive. That was always my proudest moment in my career and now it's got a rivalry with "Born this Way." So yeah I mean I think all of us who work on the show -- and, believe me, we have people beating down our doors to work on this show -- they really want to do this show. It's a passion for all of us. And we're all sort of part of the show's mission. Because this isn't just entertainment. This show has a mission. It really is trying to open people's minds about disability and realizing we should be focused on the ability in the disability and we should maybe be making whatever accommodations we can to let people with disabilities be as full participants in the workplace and in the community.
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